A devastating blow to the coalition:

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/01/07/alibi-drinkery-found-to-be-in-contempt-of-court-fined-3000-a-day/

On top of that, the dishonest go-fund-mes are being shut down as they are being reported as an attempt to fund these places’ illicit acts:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/alibi-drinkery-legal-fees

The ReOpen Minnesota fund is not even at a third of its goal. And this ONE bar is going to suck up all that has been raised – and then some.

As Colonel Trautman said to Rambo: “It’s over, Johnny.”

As I had said before: You’re NOT going to win this one. There are too many rationale people out there that won’t be fooled by internet memes and unfounded conspiracy theories. Please, for the sake of the other people you claim to support: Stand down!

Besides, things are opening up – as I knew they would in due time:

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/minnesota-restaurants-to-reopen-at-50-percent-capacity/89-586847f5-904a-44de-9c4e-a0e4e8a90814

Patience. We WILL get back to the way things were – in due time. If you wish to still support the others on this list help pay their bills – or get takeout and safely go when it’s time as often as you can.

Let’s do this the RIGHT way. Don’t allow Darius Teichroew and Jake Duesenberg to dupe other business owners into suffering the same fate as Alibi..

More than a nice try, but a clear case of showing YOU are the one trying to cloud the issue. Instead of admitting your error, you move the goalposts. YOU said 74K not me – or are you going to pretend that number never came up? And are you also going to pretend the 74K wasn’t the “no-mitigation” estimate? SMH….

EVEN IF we accept they were “off by a factor of at least ten,” the main point (which you ignored) is: The actual numbers being so much lower than expected can stand as a testament to the success of the on-going mitigation measures.

Speaking of “nice try,” nice try attempting to flip my question back on me. I for one don’t allow conspiracy theorists to hide behind that game. Answer my question: How many deaths would you consider to be “acceptable losses” for you to have a burger and beer at a restaurant during a pandemic?

What would I approve of if it saves just one life..and can I imagine one example? Yes. The current Minnesota measures for mitigation of covid spread. There you go. I wish they did the same in all states.

To your second point: let’s turn it around. If “one life is too many”, then what is the goverment NOT justified in doing to save lives? What would you not approve of “if it saves just one life”? Give me an example, if you can imagine one.

Nice try. It was estimated to be 52,000 WITH mitigation measures taken, so they were still off by a factor of at least ten. Oh, and thanks for supplying a perfect example of lying with statistics. “…the number they were expecting for the entire length of the pandemic.” Since they didn’t know how long the pandemic would last, it’s a perfect non-falsifiable statement. If they were dead flat wrong, as they were, they can just claim it’s not over yet. Convenient, yes?

Ronald and Heather, I think I can provide some details to the estimates. The ‘up to’ 74K deaths were from an initial estimate last March. And the estimate was assuming what would happen if NO safety measures at all were taken.

So, with only 5300 deaths thus far, it could be seen as a good thing that Minnesota DID enact safety measures – as many tens of thousands of lives have been saved.

But, to be fair, it was not the estimate of what they expected ‘by now,’ it is the number they were expecting for the entire length of the pandemic. So the final comparison is still pending.

All aside let’s note that Heather is right: One death is one too many.

Which brings me to a question that may seem provoking, but I would like an honest answer from the “freedom fighters” on this thread: How many deaths would you consider to be “acceptable losses” for you to have a burger and beer at a restaurant during a pandemic?

What estimate are you referring to? Do you have a source? Without knowing what you’re talking about, it probably has something to do with masking and social distancing being followed, to curb the spread. Or was that a national estimate? Or one predicting cases?

Any number of deaths are too many. It shouldn’t matter to people if we have 5,000 or 50,000 in the state. We need to be responsible and wear masks and avoid people outside of our household. If you want to support small businesses – great! Order take out or gift cards, and support the restaurants who are doing right by their employees and clientele.

There is nothing more irresponsible than the constant fear mongering we’ve been listening to since March. What happened to the 52,000 to 74,000 deaths we were supposed to have by now? Or all we all just supposed to forget how spectacularly wrong that estimate was?

Comparing death tallies to previous years is irrelevant. Saying the “vast majority” would have died anyway is an opinion.

You’re welcome to have any opinion you want. But you’re NOT welcome to just make up your own FACTS and pass them along as self-evident. It’s as lazy as it is irresponsible.

It’s like trying to compare traffic deaths from one year with low cases of bad weather with another with a rash of bad weather days. Do you really suggests the ones that died driving in a blizzard would have died anyways? Really?? SMH..

How do the deaths per capita this year compare to other years? Our overall deaths in the US has been around 2.5 MILLION each of the last 10 years. The vast majority of people dying from covid likely would have died from one of the other causes that have been killing people for years.

Well, at least Lenard’s has seen the error of their potential ways. About the assertsion that Sweden and South Dakota have been no worse sans safety measures than Minnesota:

South Dakota: 107 deaths per capita
Sweden: 67 deaths per capita
Minnesota: 65 deaths per capita

Stop taking your info off anti-mask blogs and facebook pages.

I went up to Lenard’s. They told me they’re not doing anything other than what they have done, i.e., take-out. They thanked me for supporting them, but they’re not open

Sharon, 10000% correct.

By you logic I have the right to blow thru stop signs. Who cares if it causes accidents and people die. The government has no right to take away my freedom to drive how I want. You all are a bunch of morons

Minnesotans are behind you. Anybody who as ever worked at businesses like these, they know. Fight the Fight for your freedom, liberty, and their lives.
Godspeed!!!

Also my companies Simplicity 26 Records (studio) and Tickle Me Not Skateboards (Private skatepark). We took this serious in the beginning as per caution for our community. Now we understand the government has lied to us and used this virus against us. We have been open for studio time since Sept. and open our small private skatepark in the afternoons for people to come skate. The small skatepark was originally built for team members to practice. We do sell our skate decks and grip tape here. we are located in Detroit Lakes in Becker County.

In reply to Heather Rosennmann: There are two issues here; first the virus, and with that I’ll agree with you. Second, the power grab as a RESULT of the virus. That I am unbalterably opposed to. The comment one often gets is, “well, if the government didn’t get involved, people would just do whatever they wanted….” Guess what, they did that in Sweden and they did that in South Dakota, and our Soviet style approach to it hasn’t yielded measurably any better results, but with a worse downside. Remember, the government isn’t DADDY!

Awesome to see this! Everyone is essential.

It makes me really sad that people don’t believe this virus is a threat. Now, in the United States, one person is dying per minute because of covid :( I feel awful for the servers and employees of places like this; they are put at greater risk because of the irresponsibility of the owners and patrons. I wish the people who went out in the world, and didn’t care about falling ill, could be denied health care. And I wish they only kept to themselves so they wouldn’t spread the disease to others. It’s just heartbreaking.

Good for you guys. I wish the list was a lot longer

J Bird, you can reinvent your job. Forcing your beliefs on others is disgusting. Remember, the people shutting down peoples businesses haven’t missed a penny since it all started.
J Bird is not a real name, you’re an actor.
Stop living in fear, being a coward, and encouraging others to do the same. It’s not healthy.

Joe Strand, I wish I was getting paid for rebuking what is being done and said here in the name of “freedom.” That’d be awesome.

Appreciate the compliment, tho. You might not realize, but calling me a ‘plant’ or ‘shill’ is telling me I’m hitting pretty close to the mark to get a reaction like yours.

I do understand one has to work to make money. But, as this is a free country, these business owners are not bound to their current business model. They don’t HAVE to open their businesses as they exist now in an unsafe manner. They could re-invent themselves, think outside the box as many others have.

J Bird is working for the Gov’t, he’s assigned to watch this post and discourage people to join in the fight. Too bad he’s a newbie and makes it blatantly obvious! J Bird isn’t even a real name! Gov’t wants power, does not care about the people they are supposed to be serving. J Bird you can give up your job, money, and along with that all your possessions because that’s what will happen if someone loses their income. Oh wait, the Gov’t hasn’t taken your job away, that’s why you can’t comprehend this issue. Responsible unselfish Americans understand you have to work to earn money. We will win this fight!! USA! Freedom!!!

I thought the rules of this thread was to be respectful. Guess that only applies to those who support this dangerous coalition.

To the suggestion that I am some kind of “plant,” or a “democrat” trying to get rid of the middle class: I thought it was republicans who screwed the middle class??!

I don’t need a dictionary to know that, in the bylaws of your state, it is legal and appropriate to grant the governor emergency powers to enact mandates. And before you parrot the rehearsed comeback of “It’s not a law:” It has the force of law. So for this, it can be argued that it is – or at least it might as well be. It’s legal, enforceable and can result in punishment for those that violate it.

Speaking of which, there are at least two businesses that are getting sued and getting their licenses pulled. They may still be open, thinking they’re winning, but the victory is an illusion. They will be shut down. They will be held accountable for putting people at unnecessary risk. So, sorry, but you’re not going to win this one. How many more of these businesspeople are you willing to put into hot water to satisfy your need be part of some faux “revolution?”

About the 99.9% ‘recovery’ rate: That speaks to the SURVIAL rate. Many who SURVIVE this virus don’t fully recover – and may never fully recover. People has lost LIMBS to this thing.

I know you think this is a patriotic thing – that it’s about freedom. It’s about safety. It’s about keeping each other safe. It’s not about who I “think” I am. It’s about KNOWING this is a real virus. And until it’s brought under control, we all have to do our part. That means some have to make sacrifices. Again, that’s not fair. But life rarely is.

Richard baldazo, owner over at that there Alibi. Real great guy! Y’all should totally go there in support of his pending attempted murder charge against police officers lol. Freedom! America! USA! We number 1 country in all of United States!

/s /s /s

Ok hear me out, what if I agree that people should be able to do what they want to in respect to their business/livelihoods, but I also agree that people shouldn’t be able to be going around spreading a preventable virus, that may or may not lead to the deaths of my immunocompromised parents/friends and elderly grandparents. Am I supposed to continue being a shut-in alcoholic on my own? I am young and healthy and could really use a sloooot from the bar if ya know what I’m sayings. But I also don’t wanna kill grandma. 2020 youre a pain in my ass brother. At least the next president ain’t wearing more makeup than his wife in 2022. Skol vikes

Joe Strand, I will echo your post for USA, the greatest country on earth!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Hey J bird, aka socialist fool, he’s a dictator. There’s something called a “dictionary” that will explain to you the meaning. If you can’t read ask your mommy to read it to you. Joe strand, thanks for your patriotic posts! These socialist fool need to drink more of the kool aid and stop traffic on I94.

Covid-19 is the biggest joke. Used only to manipulate weak minded people by making them it is virtuous to live like a coward. 99.98% recovery rate from the few that were even infected, most people don’t even know they have it if they do test positive.

People have the right to work for a living, no one can take that away, no matter who you think you are.

No sheep on this list! just courageous patriots! USA! USA! USA!